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Decimal system rocks Where can I buy a clock with a decimal clockface, like the one on the right? Ebay doesn't have it. 17:27, 6 January 2006 (UTC) It shouldn't be too hard to make. The mechanism is the same, right?

Just get a 12-hour clock and paint the decimal markings on the face. — 17:59, 6 January 2006 (UTC) It can't be the same mechanism, can it? The decimal clock had 10 hours with 100 minutes per hour and 100 seconds per minute, right? So the hour hand made 1 revolution per day, the minute hand makes 10, and the second hand makes 1000 as opposed to a 12 hour clock where the hour hand makes 2 revolutions, the minute hand 24, and the second hand makes 1440. That would require a whole different set of gears, wouldn't it? 18:13, 6 January 2006 (UTC) Right.

Don't know what I was thinking. =P — 18:15, 6 January 2006 (UTC) I've seen decimal clocks that use just one hand.

01:53, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Which is probably simply Keenan's method. 08:58, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Except it has to run at half the speed. (1 revolution = 1 day.) 01:20, 8 January 2006 (UTC) Right, so what I said really made no sense at all. — 03:28, 8 January 2006 (UTC) and are two, but they're already sold:-) Or maybe you were looking for something like www.cafepress.com/cp/prod.aspx?p=trancewave.3466246 this?

Or you could. Finally, 's the one from. 20:58, 8 January 2006 (UTC) Wow.the cafepress one is cool.i also have coupons to use! 22:50, 8 January 2006 (UTC) Why are Left-wingers pro-Palestine and Right-wingers pro-Israel? Thank you, -anon 17:34, 6 January 2006 (UTC). I think that that's kind of a broad generalization. Speaking as a left-wing American Democrat, I support both the state of Isreal and a potential Palestinian state.

18:05, 6 January 2006 (UTC) That is also a broad generalization, since most people in the pro-Palestinian camp also recognize Israel. 19:10, 6 January 2006 (UTC) Because Israel is strong and Palestine is weak. Left-wingers support the underdog, right-wingers support the top-dog. Back in the 60s and 70s, when it was Israel v. The Arab states rather than Israel v.

Palestinians, left-wing support for Israel (being the underdog) was much stronger. 19:26, 6 January 2006 (UTC) There's also some cold war history - Israel was an ally in the cold war, while there were socialist groups on the Palestinian side, and remains a military ally of the US. Also there's the religion-politics issue - some Christian groups believe that the rebuilding of the temple and reestablisment of the state of Israel are requirements for the Rapture, so supporting Israel may hasten the endtimes.

These groups also tend to support right-wing politicians. 19:33, 6 January 2006 (UTC) Left-wingers tend to be idealists, thinking all people should be treated equally, including terrorists. They view them as poor, confused vicitms of society, who are not to blame for their actions.

Right-wingers, on the other hand, see them as evil bastards who all should be killed. Hence left-wingers tend to support whichever side is using terrorists and right-wingers support the other side. 19:36, 6 January 2006 (UTC) StuRat, are you trying to start a flamewar? Anyway, I'm one leftwinger who sympathizes with neither side. It's nice that Israel is a democracy, but it should be treated as an embarrassment to American Jews the way it is now. They're all elbows, and while I don't want Israel to be wiped out I don't think the US should be as gung-ho to support them as they are.

If anything the Palestinians living on Israeli soil should be offered full Israeli citizenship. I don't support the Palestinians either though - I don't support terrorism. 19:57, 6 January 2006 (UTC) I think Isreal is doing the best they can with building a wall and unilaterally withdrawing from Gaza. They can't negotiate with the Palestinians, since any Palestinian who negotiates is seen as 'week'. A sizable portion of Palestinians want all Isrealis dead, and you can't negotiate with that, anyway. 20:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC) More oversimplified (and flamebait) nonsense. What about the Israeli terrorists such as and?

Viewing one side as 'terrorists' is not an informed and balanced viewpoint of the conflict. Besides which, it isn't a left-vs-right issue anyway: It's the American right-wing which is strongly pro-Israel. The right-wing parties in the rest of the democratic world are not much bigger supporters of Israel than the left-wing ones. Nor was right-or-left wing US policy pro-Israel the way it is today until the last 30 years.

(post 6-day war.) - 22:25, 6 January 2006 (UTC) When one side has overwhelmingly more terrorists than the other, including state support for suicide bombers, the right-wingers take the side with the fewer terrorists, while the left-wingers point to one or two counterexamples and say the two are 'morally equivalent'. Using such logic, the US may be judged to be morally equivalent to al Queada, since the US has had some domestic terrorists, such as in the Oklahoma City bombing. 01:07, 7 January 2006 (UTC) One or two counterexamples? Since Sept 2000, 123 Israeli and 704 Palestinian children have ben killed. There are overwhelmingly more Palestinian civilian casualties (not only among children). I don't believe in eye-for-an-eye mentality. Both sides share in the blame.

But the fact that you apparently aren't prepared to accept that Israel has at least equal blame here either means that you are uninformed or devoid of basic compassion. Or are you really prepared to make the argument that Israeli children are 'more innocent' than Palestinian ones?

- 01:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC) The Palestinian children are more stupid perhaps, as when they throw stones at tanks, intermixed with armed gunmen firing at the tanks, instead of taking cover. Confronting armed troops instead of doing what they say results in most of those casualties, not suicide bombers against Palestinians. And yes, I think somebody throwing a stone is more guilty of inciting violence than somebody eating pizza at a restaurant. 01:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC) An interesting article: - 00:12, 7 January 2006 (UTC) This is indeed an interesting question. As other comments have pointed out, it is not as simple as left vs. In the U.S., few people in the political mainstream are anti-Israel to the extent that many people in Europe are.

But even within countries, there is a clear right-left division on the Israel issue. In America, publications like and are pro-Palestinian, while much of the Christian Right is more Zionist than the Israelis themselves. In Norway, the conservative Progress Party is pro-Israel, while the Socialist Left is anti-Israel. You can see the same trends in Canada ( vs. ) or Britain ( vs.

I think Mark1 puts it pretty well. The Palestinians have successfully marketed themselves as the underdog.

In the 1940s, when the fighting was seen as the Jews against the Arabs and the British Empire, the Left was very much in favor of Zionism. The recasting of the fight as Israelis vs. Palestinians switches David and Goliath. Now to some people, it's big, bad Israel against a poor, oppressed group. Of course, in actuality, the actors are still the same; only the names have changed. StuRat also has a point about the way leftists see the world. There's a conservative taunt that when a liberal sees a mugging victim lying on the ground bleeding, the liberal says, 'Whoever did this must need help!'

There's a tendency among the Left to believe that if someone is resorting to crime or terror, he must be a victim of persecution. Thus, when a leftist sees an act of terrorism, he or she is likely to seek the so-called root causes and sympathize with the terrorists' people, if not the act of terrorism itself. A corollary to this is the tendency of the Western Left to always side against the West in any skirmish between it and other peoples. Leftists cannot go back in time and stop their own country's offenses against the indigenous peoples of the world (African slavery, Indian wars, etc.), so they take out their frustration on American foreign policy and on Israel.

The latter country can be perceived as an old-fashioned European colony carved out of land that should belong to a non-European people. Of course, the situation is far more complicated than that - most Israeli Jews trace at least part of their immediate ancestry to the Muslim world, not to Europe, and they were more likely to come to Israel as refugees than as colonizers. But the Left doesn't have a real European colony (like the ) in existence nowadays to kick around instead. The colonialism issue, real or imagined, is probably why leftists will focus on the human rights record of Israel rather than on the far worse records of countries like China, Russia, Burma and just about all of the Arab world.

I don't want to launch a flame war here, but I have to say that the Left's antipathy toward Israel does make for some strange bedfellows. I mean, Israel might not be the world's most progressive country on issues like women's rights or gay rights. But if I were someone like Svend Robinson - an irreligious, gay social liberal - I would think I'd feel much more at home in Tel-Aviv than in Ramallah. 03:32, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Another point to consider that 'pro-Israel' and 'pro-Palestinian' are like 'anti-American' as highly misleading terms. Just because one might oppose the actions of the present Israeli government doesn't make you 'anti-Israel' any more than disliking the current US President makes you anti-American. Calling somebody 'anti country X' is a useful debating tactic but hardly realistic when often there are large minorities in the country concerned who feel the same way.

06:32, 7 January 2006 (UTC) I would think you can often distinquish between the two cases, such as protesters yelling 'Down with Bush!' Versus 'Death to America!' 07:37, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Also, anti-Israel doesn't necessarily mean pro-Palestine. As someone who on average leans towards the left (though I'm certainly not leftwing out of principle), let me give my view, which, according to above reasoning, is more right-wing. At first, Israel was a bad thing because it robbed Palestinians of their land. Now, however, most Israelis are born in Israel and have as much right to live there as the Palestinians had (notice the past tense). The solution used to be simple, now I don't see one anymore and side with anyone who doesn't use violence (ie neither) or is the victim (ie both).

Also, note that, apart from the title, Mark1 and me, no-one speaks of, but in stead of. Which can be seen a political statement in itself. 09:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Actually, come to think of it, when I was clearly anti-Israel I was pretty right-wing (I voted then). I now blame that on teenage ignorance.:) But I've always remained a liberal in both the leftwing and rightwing sense of the word.

11:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC) The Right is usually concerned with dealing with direct symptoms of social problems. When the worker complains of labour conditions, you fire him.

When oil starts to run out, you put up prices, or make deals with dodgy people. When crime puts your country above others, you build more jails. When the continuing conflict claims more casualties, you escalate it. The Left is opposed to Israel's policies in the conflict, not to Israel itself. It's opposed, because the left percieves the actions has a continuous disregard of the lessons of history and which cannot create a stable and long term situation in the area. The left believes that it is possible to understand actions without justifying it.

And the left believes that this can be done as well as fighting the symptoms, not 'instead' as some people think. The left does not believe that a conflict can be divided into two obvious sides, and that you need to support one, or the other. And the left are the only people tackling and campaigning against human rights abuses in anywhere near a fair way. Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch etc are all leftist organisations. Who's actually doing the deals with China these days?

Are they the leftists?- 15:01, 7 January 2006 (UTC) The only policy Israel could have which might stop suicide bombers would be if they all left Israel and gave the country to the Palestinians. I don't think they see that as much of an option.

16:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Also, left wingers are typically more optimistic about humanity, and the eventual triumph of reason etc.- 19:38, 8 January 2006 (UTC) + I agree with what DirkvdM said up there about Israel and the Palestinians. Also, I think what's incredibly stupid and dangerous about both sides is using religion to justify that they should live there, especially when the land they're fighting over has no other real purpose.

It would make a lot more sense for one side to just have their state somewhere else in the Middle East, it's not as if Israel is the only country there. 22:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Religion is rarely the real reason for wars.

It's a war between peoples whose can most easily be distinguished through religion. And religion is also a way to get people to do weird stuff (with the promise of a reward in the afterlife).

Likewise, in Ireland it is/was not about catholics and protestants but about Irish and English. And I believe even the crusades were not about religion but about encroaching eastern culture. 08:34, 8 January 2006 (UTC) An interesting presentation about what exactly 'kills' Palestinian children: 09:08, 8 January 2006 (UTC) Pressure treated wood. I plan to make several picnic tables using Pressure Treated Wood. Are there any special precautions I need to take in painting this wood? Thanks, WSC Pressure treated wood contains low levels of toxic materials, including arsenic. In general, that shouldn't be a problem, but if you're planning on making tables that people will be eating off of, the arsenic could leach into the food and the utensils.

21:46, 6 January 2006 (UTC) Take a look at article and be sure that you don't use CCA treated lumber for your table. 02:12, 7 January 2006 (UTC) No pressure-treated wood is toxic these days. However, I would always seal the wood to prevent splinters.

A very bad thing for picnic tables. 15:11, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Pressure-treated wood is wet. It needs to dry and/or be sealed before paining. Also note that you need to use stainless steel or zinc coated nails, bolts and screws when building with pressure treated wood to prevent oxidation reactions (chemical rusting).

17:43, 9 January 2006 (UTC) 'Love is a many-splendored thing.or, in the case of, a many-splintered thing.' 16:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Aerial Dumping Do or have airplanes ever dumped wastes directly from the lavatory?

There most be holding tanks, but do they ever dump them while in-flight? Yes, but not intentionally. I don't think they have a remote control opening device which would allow them to do so, even if they wanted to.

However, the drain which is normally used to empty the tanks when on the ground sometimes leaks, and at least one person found a 'blue ice' meteor smashed thru their roof. The 'blue ice' is the frozen disinfectant fluid used on airplanes. 19:26, 6 January 2006 (UTC) Blue ice was once the cause of death in a episode of one of the series. 11:36, 8 January 2006 (UTC) So the sucking noise is not the poo being sucked out of the airplane and that hole some planes have in the rear isn't a poophole? One is never to young to learn:). 09:32, 7 January 2006 (UTC) My favourite was the old British trains, and the sign 'Do not flush while at a station'. When you flushed you were staring at the tracks!

- 13:38, 7 January 2006 (UTC) That's pretty gross, alright, but at least it wasn't falling on anybody's head (except maybe a worm between the tracks). I sure would hate to have to do track maintenance on those tracks, though. 16:42, 7 January 2006 (UTC) + Scottish comedian has a famous joke wherein he postulates the 'jobbie wheecher', a catapult-like device which is used for ejecting toilet material from aircraft.

Futher, he warns of the danger of hapless passengers becoming entangled with this device and themselves being 'wheeched' out of the plane. 16:47, 7 January 2006 (UTC) sport question from school. What do the letters S.A.F.

Try our article; there are many possibilities. Unfortunately, none has much at all to do with sport. 21:33, 6 January 2006 (UTC) Here's a wild guess: Standard Athletic Field or maybe Sports/Athletic Field. 22:12, 6 January 2006 (UTC)? 09:35, 7 January 2006 (UTC) While I'm much too lazy to find the answer for you, I can offer - they have yet to fail me in my time of need. 06:38, 9 January 2006 (UTC) Can phone numbers be sold? I have heard of cases where companies have bought a phone number from a private party because they wanted the number.

Their company's name could be spelled out with the numbers or some such thing. This was in the U.S. I don't know about the legality or possibility of it in other countries. 20:40, 6 January 2006 (UTC) In Japan it's possible, and in fact is very common among the ex-pat population.

Just ask NTT. 08:28, 7 January 2006 (UTC) dodge neon 1998 What is the size of the mounting nut for the driver side spindle on a 1998 dodge neon? You might be better off asking this question in one of the internet forums specifically dedicated to the Neon. Do a google search for 'dodge neon forum' and you'll find plenty of places where Neon enthusiasts discuss their car. Alternatively, you could purchase a service manual like and give it a try. 06:22, 7 January 2006 (UTC) What is the phone number formatting of this question needs fixing & trying to do so) - + - what is the phone number of the jagex guy andrew gower?- 22:21, 6 January 2006 (UTC)nebyou + -.It's quite uncommon to be able to contact the biggest boss of a company by phone directly. However, does list multiple email address you can use to contact them, depending on the issue.

11:58, 8 January 2006 (UTC) + - + January 7 formatting of this question needs fixing & trying to do so) - + What are some of the stranger looking animals? Things like aarvarks, tanuki, owls, etc.

Could anyone inform me of strange-looking animals, particularly mammals? And - 00:55, 7 January 2006 (UTC) 01:00, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Hey!

Platypuses look completely normal. From the platypus-perspective of course. It's the rest who look funny.

01:59, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Yes, there was a episode where the aliens referred to humans as 'ugly bags of mostly water'. 02:29, 7 January 2006 (UTC) - 02:49, 7 January 2006 (UTC),.

And then there's a fish named somehing like caelocanthus (what is that again?). And a little night creature with huge eyes and a long thin finger. And that mouse with an ear on its back. And of course look pretty funny, but we're too used to them. 09:57, 7 January 2006 (UTC).

And it isn't that weird. 01:32, 8 January 2006 (UTC) The Elephant Nose fish is a strange looking fish (Gnathonemus Petersi) 12:05, 7 January 2006 Some of mammals are rather odd looking. 02:43, 8 January 2006 (UTC) The, especially deep down, is full of strange looking creatures (like, or ), not to forget. As for strange looking mammals, other than the ones already mentioned, are pretty strange looking, as are, (or ), ( are more cute than strange), and let's not forget. Other strange non-mammals include, and of course,.

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And that's not even the tip of the iceberg; there are the, which in my opinion are much stranger in many was than mammals. I mean, how about, /,? And there are hundreds more of unusual and beautiful creatures like these. The motto is, we are blessed to live on an earth so diverse, mysterious, and often majestic. 03:41, 8 January 2006 (UTC) is on the right path, any animal can look odd or not.

Barring human intervention, animals tend to adapt to their environment, so really they only look odd because you are seeing them out of place. To a certain extent it can be said that humans are odd looking based on the body modifications and clothing that we choose. 07:07, 8 January 2006 (UTC) here's one vote for the, a relative of the giraffe and a mammal I have a fondness for. They seem like such peaceful, singular animals.

08:06, 8 January 2006 (UTC) Silly me, I forgot about. Especially that big bee (a few cm long!) and the next one, with the flag-legs that did sort of leg-stretch exercises, probably to attract members of the opposite sex. And, along the lines of the giraffe, we're used to elephants, but is pretty weird isn't it? Suppose we knew of no elephants and someone would tell us about this animal that is huge and round with a nose that is 2 meters long, which the animal uses as a hand to bring food to it's mouth and suck up water to use as a shower and which they use when walking in line by holding the other's puny tail. You told us about the platypus and that was weird, but how can you expect anyone to believe this? 09:03, 8 January 2006 (UTC).

It all depends on your perception of odd. But I think count. 12:00, 8 January 2006 (UTC) Regarding storyline in snes game 'Secret of Mana' formatting of this question needs fixing & trying to do so) I'm wondering if when you enter 'gaias navel' the scene where the girl doesn't want to go in and ditches the guy there, does that have to happen? Or is there a different path that you're supposed to go on? I made a bet with some one about this but I can't seem to find the necessary information on walkthroughs of the game and other such documents. 01:21, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Does answer your question?

16:05, 7 January 2006 (UTC) I tried your link, but it appeared to be broken somehow. I actually managed to find out the answer on my own. It would seem that I need to try to do more research on my own before asking here (because I tend to find the answers on my own shortly after asking). Thanks for replying though. 04:54, 8 January 2006 (UTC) Yes, it seems don't like people reading their FAQs without seeing the ads. 15:06, 8 January 2006 (UTC) pandas i am douing a panda report and i need help i need to find out. What is the pandas physical appearance?

Gives a good description and it even has a picture. 04:13, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Also, there are other pandas, like the. 11:13, 9 January 2006 (UTC) information about UEFA Cup I am writing to ask that how many goals Maradona had made for Napoli in the Tournament of UEFA Cup of 1988-89, as the runner-up finally? Cargo and Courier Services Overall which is shipping service is best: UPS DHL Fedex (all services) I really want to know the truth about this issue. How do you define 'best'? Most locations? Highest on-time delivery rate?

11:28, 8 January 2006 (UTC) unreported U.S. Military deaths in Iraq What are the total US military deaths in Iraq that includes not only killed in action but those who died after being evacuated? And also non-combatant deaths. These two sources ( and ) give it as 2193 (with 2189 confirmed by DoD). I imagine this includes non-combatants and those killed after being evacuated because both of those sites appear to be anti-war, so I imagine they would want to make the numbers look as bad as possible. 14:14, 7 January 2006 (UTC) How much is that in the window? CVG question, project members and Zelda fans encouraged to answer, people who think Zelda is a ripoff of Secret of Mana need not apply.

(And you're wholly wrong, because Zelda came out BEFORE SoM. HA!) Zelda = Sheik. This much I know.

And, having read the section on 'Alternate Egos of Princess Zelda,' I have discovered (besides the fact that I have enough pictures of this sexy man/womanbeast to fill a sperm bank full of bishounen-style pictures of a fake male) that Sheik wears a form fitting blue suit of sorts. Here's the question. What the hell is it called, and any speculation as to what material it might be? See, thing is, I wouldn't be nearly so curious if it weren't for the fact that Sheik is really quite the looker. Also, recently I bought a gamecube, and with it, SSB Melee, and discovered that all of the bishounen characters are anatomically correct. (Doubters, please perform Ganondorf's pose move, and as he turns to face the camera, examine his crotch.

Thank you.) So.yeah. What's the name for the kind of outfit Sheik is wearing, and what kind of material do you think it might be. 12:11, 7 January 2006 (UTC) I reckon it's made of 100% genuine polygons. 16:02, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Ha ha ha.this is a serious question, though. I'm writing a short story. This almost puzzles me as much as why, when tunics are generally something a woman wears, Link has three in various colors. (Feel free to answer that one if you want, too.) 10:03, 8 January 2006 (UTC) In ancient times men wore tunics, togas, etc., too.

Pants were a later invention, as they require individual tailoring, while tunics are one-size-fits-all. 11:21, 8 January 2006 (UTC) Ah. That's fallen out of use since then, I suppose? 06:34, 9 January 2006 (UTC) What's fallen out of use? Tunics for men? Pants really are better, especially when one has curious dogs at ones feet or 'jack frost nipping at your, um, nose'.

And since automated production methods have been adopted, they can be mass produced cheaply enough for everyone to afford them. 11:09, 9 January 2006 (UTC) Another thing, related to Jack Frost, one geographical variation in ancient times was that tunics and togas were popular in southern Europe and pants were popular in northern Europe. 17:25, 9 January 2006 (UTC) Easter in the UK (section title added by ) how do british celebrate easter? We celebrate Easter in a similar way to America, with (although generally not the ).

Some people go to church to celebrate, some don't. The only difference is that at the start of, on, us Brits tend to eat pancakes instead of normal food (see ). Smurray inch ster 14:08, 7 January 2006 (UTC) And we have a four day holiday, usually a good time for house cleaning and painting. Easter Sunday is the only day of the year when most shops are legally required to be closed. 15:30, 7 January 2006 (UTC) See also and (which sadly redirects to some theological thing rather than talking about a nice roast leg of lamb. 16:22, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Post Office Promotional Materials I saw a San Marino post office promtional package today at a friend's home.

It contains a photograph of two postage stamps and a four-language brouchure for that set of stamps and a large official envelope. These promtional materials were sent to stamp collectors and dealers in the 1980s. How do I call these promtional packages? How do I find these things? Do post offices all over the world publish such materials today? - 13:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Most do, these days - I get them from Iceland, Norway, Denmark, the Faeroes, and Liechtenstein, and used to get them from Ireland and the UK too. I just call them brochures or flyers.

Basically you just have to open an account with the country's Philatelic Bureau, and these sort of things will flood through your mailbox. 15:27, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Do they have a name? Do they have an article? Do they have a market? Do they have a catalog?

Is there a site on the Internet that displays these flyers? - 23:05, 7 January 2006 (UTC) CE I find the use of CE (common era) offensive as it is what it is.AD Why must you be 'religiously neutral'. Everyone for all these centuries has called it what it is.

I will refer to it as 'common error' if I ever use your encyclopedia again. Does this really belong in the Reference Desk? 14:06, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Personally, I find that CE pisses me off.

If you have a problem with thhe date system being based on the birth of a holy man, why not.i don't know.use a DIFFERENT one? It's the same thing with a different name! And it looks ugly! O º O 14:07, 7 January 2006 (UTC) See for arguments both ways. Personally, I feel that if the entire world, not just the Christian world, is going to use a system, it might as well be secular, but it doesn't matter. After all, was most probably not born in year 1 AD/CE, but somewhere around 5-3 BC/BCE.

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Of course, if you really hate it, it can also mean 'Christian Era'. Smurray inch ster 14:14, 7 January 2006 (UTC) It's not secular if it's just a renamed religous system. I'm all for a secular system. But not Common Era. O º O 14:56, 7 January 2006 (UTC) The most important thing is that everyone use the same system, so we don't need to find some way to convert dates between systems. What someone chooses to call the system really doesn't much matter.

If you want to call it AD, please continue to do so. If a non-Christian is offended by that and wants to call it CE, let them have their way, too.

I would actually prefer that it be based on some nuetral secular event, say the largest eruption of, but this would require worldwide agreement and lots of conversion at this point, so let's just stick with what we have. 16:30, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Then what does a PC BC stand for? - 19:18, 7 January 2006 (UTC) The PC term is BCE (Before Common Era) I fully agree with Phroziac. It's the same thing by a different name. So if we continue using the same thing why give it a differnt name? That's just confusing. It's like the recent change in the Dutch language that exchanges one illogical set of rules for another one.

But this is worse, because it's the same rule (which is as (il)logical as any other would be). And the article starts by pointing out that it can also be read as Christian Era. So we're back where we started. Before I encountered this here (I've never seen it used aywhere else) I never thought about what 'AD' stood for (although I was aware of it). Now I'm irritated everytime I see a date (well, that's an exaggeration). A rule I often follow is that if you want to change something, the more traditional it is, the stronger your arguments have to be.

Well, tradition is long and strong here and I don't see a single argument for the change. All that is achieved is that people get confused. I still do, even though I know about it (which most people won't). A change that would make sense would be to introduce a year zero, in accordance with all other measurements. Or make time measurement decimal (10 hours per day, 100 minutes per hour, that sort of thing). But that's a different story. 09:26, 8 January 2006 (UTC) I do like the idea of going to, which has been tried occasionally, such as after the French Revolution, but never really caught on.

I would also like to stop the silly use of time zones and daylight savings time and have everyone go to. It really is the same time everywhere, as measured from the Big Bang or creation of the universe by your favorite diety, but we pretend it is different times to make the Sun rise at approximately the same time all over the world (plus or minus about 3 hours, which hardly seems worth the effort!). 09:50, 8 January 2006 (UTC) Apparently you don't do much reading, DirkdvdM. The terms 'CE' and 'BCE' have been in general use for about 20 years and have achieved wide acceptance throughout the English-speaking world.

That doesn't happen overnight. 09:34, 8 January 2006 (UTC). Well, Dirk's not the only one. I never came across it before it cropped up at Wikipedia either. What really ticks me off about the issue is how it pretty much still refers to the same year and event. I can't see how calling it something different makes it any more neutral in that regard.

12:04, 8 January 2006 (UTC). Dirk and mgm don't live in the English-speaking world, it might be that it isn't commonly used in the Netherlands.

17:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC) It's like the diff between 'Merry Christmas' and 'Happy Holidays', if you know you're addressing a Christian, then 'Merry Christmas' is OK, but to be safe around people you aren't sure of, stick with 'Happy Holidays'. Of course, if one encounters a like me, one may well find a candy cane inserted in a most inconvenient location, regardless of the seasonal greeting used.

11:03, 9 January 2006 (UTC) Another point: my (rather extensive) English-Dutch dictionary does not list CE or BCE. And actually, I do do a lot of reading, and often in English (my reasoning being that I already know Dutch, so if I get my info from English texts I learn that language better in the process). And if I come across something new I look it up, of course. But if the dictionary doesn't list it I'll assume it's not important. So maybe I have come across it once or twice and decided it wasn't worth remembering.

09:30, 9 January 2006 (UTC) When I studied History at school, my textbooks used BC and AD, despite the fact that textbooks are known for their PC-ness. Maybe now they use BCE and CE. 04:05, 10 January 2006 (UTC) That PC again. Do you mean a computer? What does that have to do with it?

09:51, 10 January 2006 (UTC) It's political correctness. 15:13, 11 January 2006 (UTC) Wine longevity How long will a good wine last when kept at room temperature? In an unopened bottle, probably years, though the wine may suffer. In a glass, nasty by tomorrow. An unsealed bottle will suffer by tomorrow, though a robust red may be drinkable for a few days. In a resealed bottle, could keep a few days, depends on the temperature of your room, and the wine: some are more forgiving than others. My kitchen, at around 8 degrees centigrade in winter, is a good place to stand wine.

Houses at 28 degrees will cook it quickly. Several techniques exist for stretching a resealed bottle to a couple of weeks. Sweet wines keep better, and fortified ones keep excellently.

17:59, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Your kitchen is 8 degrees C? I guess you have a blue chef to go along with the bleu cheese.

18:18, 7 January 2006 (UTC) argonaut The Argonauts were in search of the golden fleece in Greek Mythology,Is the word 'Argonaut' also used to describe 49er's of California Gold Rush times? Gary Day Rocklin California I've never heard it used that way. 18:15, 7 January 2006 (UTC) Yes, most definitely.

Check out. 19:51, 7 January 2006 (UTC) currency question I have two 20,000 peso bills from 1988 (one is serie.

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